木兰 发表于 2004-3-30 06:54:49

宾夕法尼亚大学民俗学四十周年庆祝

Here is the link for that. http://www.sas.upenn.edu/folklore/center/gatheringplace/index.html
You can find abstracts of some of the presentations and talks, and simple biographies for some of the presenters.
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cfs 发表于 2004-4-1 07:34:49

RE:宾夕法尼亚大学民俗学四十周年庆祝

Gathering/Place: Folklore, Aesthetic Ecologies, and the Public Domain

40th Anniversary Conference and Reunion

April 2-3, 2004, University of Pennsylvania Campus, Logan Hall

Sponsored by the Center for Folklore and Ethnography
and the Graduate Students in Folklore and Folklife

Schedule

To reach abstracts of the sessions, click on the session titles below. Click on presenter names and paper titles for biographies and abbreviated papers. To post a response to items on the conference website, follow the Guest Book link below.

Friday, April 2
Room 402, Logan Hall
12 pm Registration
12:45 pmIntroduction: Dan Ben-Amos
Welcome: Joseph Farrell, Associate Dean, School of Arts & Sciences
Session 1
1:00-2:30 pm
Moving Folklore
Chairs: Dana Hercbergs and Steve Reynolds
Presenters:
Ana Cara: Tourism and Exile: Mounting the Tango Show "For Export"
Amy Horowitz: Protest/Music in the Shadows of Home/Land/and Security
Raquel Romberg: Glocal Spirituality: Consumerism and Heritage in Puerto Rican Brujería
Amy Shuman: Place, Sentimentality, and the Dispossessed
Discussant: John Szwed
Session 2
3:00-4:30 pm
Learning the Vernacular: Penn's Tradition in Public Folklore
Moderated by Nick Spitzer, with Robert Baron, Peggy Bulger, Steve Zeitlin.
Discussant: Debora Kodish
Keynote
5:00 pm
Cultural Memory, Constructs of History, and Moments of Being
Presenter: M. D. Muthukumaraswamy
Introduction: Roger Abrahams
Discussants: Dorry Noyes and Bill Westerman
Reception
6:00-8:00 pm Main Gallery & Tombs of Ur Gallery, Museum of Anthropology
   
Saturday, April 3
Terrace Room, Logan Hall
9:00 amRegistration and Continental Breakfast
Session 3
9:30-11:00 am
Aesthetic Ecologies
Chairs: Rosina Miller and Mu Peng
Presenters:
Joann Bromberg: Social Aspects of Story Exchange: Abstract
Barbara Kirshenblatt-Gimblett: Messages in a Bottle
Katharine Young: The Aesthetic Ecology of a Gesture
Discussant: Lee Haring
Session 4
11:30-1:00 pm
"The Environment is the Composition": Sites, Artifacts, and Structures of Feeling (Or, Folklore as Applied Kandinsky)
Chairs: Veronica Aplenc and Sandra Grady
Presenters:
Anna Beresin: Culture Shifts, Playground Moves: Abstractions from the Concrete
Suzanne MacAulay: Field Aesthetics
Leslie Prosterman: "Subtle, intangible, and non-quantifiable": Aesthetics, Law, and Speech in Public Space
Mary Hufford: Knowing Ginseng: Toward an Aesthetic Ecology of Public Intelligence
Discussant: Bob St. George
1:00-2:30 pm Lunch on own
Session 5
2:30-4:00 pm
The Mother of Grace Club: Women, Vows, and Italian American Catholicism in Twenty-First-Century America
Chairs: Linda Lee and Anika Wilson
Presenters: Leonard Norman Primiano, Joseph Sciorra, Kay Turner
Discussants: Joan Saverino and Maggie Kruesi
Session 6
4:30-6:00 pm International Observers Speak
Regina Bendix, Simon Lichman, Wend Wendland
Celebration
6:00-9:00 pm Gift of the Gods Gallery, Folklore Archive, and Lounge, Logan Hall Third Floor

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Congratulations!!!
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cfs 发表于 2004-4-1 07:38:37

RE:宾夕法尼亚大学民俗学四十周年庆祝



Gathering/Place:
Folklore, Aesthetic Ecologies, and the Public Domain

40th Anniversary Conference and Reunion

April 2-3, 2004
University of Pennsylvania Campus
Logan Hall

Sponsored by the Center for Folklore and Ethnography
and the Graduate Students in Folklore and Folklife

Call for Participation

In 1963, Kenneth S. Goldstein became the first to receive a PhD in folklore from the University of Pennsylvania. Forty years and two-hundred and seventy-one dissertations later, we are inviting all Penn alumni, current and former faculty and students, and friends to join us in an exploration of the scholarship and practice that continue to emerge from Penn’s folklore program, and to imagine the future of folklore at Penn and beyond.

To focus our exploration, we propose the title: “Gathering/Place: Folklore, Aesthetic Ecologies, and the Public Domain.” Thinking of aesthetics as the culturally learned, appreciative awakening of the senses to one’s surroundings, and ecologies as the interrelations of people and their physical and social environs, we recall Dell Hymes’s testimony in support of the American Folklife Preservation Act, nearly thirty years ago, which illustrated what art looks like when embedded in the matrices of everyday life. Hymes related a moment in which Blanche Tohet, a Native American woman, finished hanging eels out to dry near her home in Warm Springs, Oregon. She then stepped back and surveyed them with satisfaction. “There!” she said, “Int that beautiful?” Hymes’s challenge to folklorists to explore the beliefs and practices underlying an aesthetics of everyday life inspired research agendas for many in the next generation of folklorists, a number of whom translated key legislation of the Great Society into unprecedented programs of public and applied folklore throughout the U.S.

Over the past two decades, folkloristics has moved toward new examinations of place as a dynamic milieu collectively produced through the language and practices of everyday life. In public practice we have seen the convergence of cultural conservation, natural resource stewardship, and sustainable livelihoods. Within the domain of social theory and ethnography, we have seen a turn toward the spatial, the bodily, and the ecological. This convergence of the ecological with previous aesthetic considerations provides an auspicious time both to revisit the lesson of Blanche Tohet and to imagine our trajectories for the future. How does the notion of “aesthetic ecologies” both clarify and complicate our inquiry into collective, vernacular ways of knowing, sensing, believing, and inhabiting that combine to produce locality and the spaces of everyday life? How does folklore circulate through aesthetic ecologies as a kind of public intelligence? What is the role of folklore in ecological production? How might the concept of aesthetic ecologies move us toward an understanding of folklife as the medium of place, and vice versa?

We are interested in examining these and related questions from multiple vantage points wherever folklorists practice; we are particularly interested in the ways in which folklore practice crosses disciplines, sectors, careers, and international borders. Therefore, to help us plan this conference, we want to hear from you. We invite everyone interested in participating to submit a description of his or her work as it relates to this topic. How does your current fieldwork, research, reading, writing, exhibiting, planning, or teaching contribute to the notion of folklore’s circulation within aesthetic ecologies? (For a list of bibliographic resources related to aesthetic ecologies, please see the conference's Working List page.)

These descriptions will be posted to our web page, and a program committee composed of Penn faculty and graduate students will use them to contact participants and organize sessions for the conference. Please note that the conference will occur over one and a half days of single-sessions only; therefore, sessions will be chosen according to their relevance to the central theme. However, we also imagine that the web page itself will provide an interesting perspective on the wealth and variety of work that continues to emerge from Penn and will remain as grist for the planning of future conferences, colloquia, and events.

Descriptions should not be longer than 250 words, may include links to other websites, and must be e-mailed as an attachment to Rosina Miller(romiller@sas.upenn.edu) by January 26, 2004.


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Working List
Resources in Aesthetic Ecology

Abrahams, Roger D. 1986. "Ordinary and Extraordinary Experience" in The Anthropology of Experience, eds. Victor W. Turner and Edward M Bruner, 45-72. Urbana: University of Illinois Press.

"Experience addresses the ongoingness of life as it is registered through the filter of culture - that is, through acts we have already learned to interpret as experiences or, in the case of shock, surprise, embarrassment, or trauma, through acts we reprocess as experiences after the fact, by talking about them and thus making them seem less personal, more typical." (p. 55)

"For Erving Goffman, the experience of even the smallest understandings (much less our larger mutual celebrations) seemed like a new rendering of an archaic holy act, one that acknowledges the existence of others and signifies a willingness to be involved in the flow of vital cultural information and, on occasion, to be exuberant in passing on this knowledge as a way of tying together self, others, and the larger worlds." (p. 69)

Allen, Barbara, and Thomas J. Schlereth. 1990. Sense of Place: American Regional Cultures.Lexington: University Press of Kentucky.

Basso, Keith. 1996. “Wisdom Sits in Places: Notes on a Western Apache Landscape.” In Senses of Place, ed. Steven Feld and Keith Basso.

Missing from the discipline is a thematized concern with the ways in which citizens of the earth constitute their landscapes and take themselves to be connected to them.Missing is a desire to fathom the various and variable perspectives from which people know their landscapes, the self-invested viewpoints from which (to borrow Isak Dinesen’s felicitous image ) they embrace the countryside and find the embrace returned. (p. 54)

Bateson, Gregory.1972. “A Theory of Play and Fantasy.” Steps to an Ecology of Mind. New York: Ballantine, pp. 177-193.

Beck, Jane. 1982. Always in Season: Folk Art and Traditional Culture in Vermont.Montpelier, VT:Vermont Council on the Arts.

Ben-Amos, Dan. 1984. “The Seven Strands of Tradition: Varieties in Its Meaning in American Folklore Studies.” Journal of Folklore Research 21(2-3):97-131.

Bendix, Regina. 2000.“The Pleasures of the Ear: Toward an Ethnography of Listening.” Cultural Analysis 1.

How might one go about initiating an ethnography of listening?Take steps toward an ecology of the senses, their linkages to cognition, their collaboration in providing us with aesthetic pleasure?Nearly every promising point of entry requires cross-disciplinarity.

If we are to probe the contours of sensory perception and reception and seek to understand the transitions between the individual, cultural and transcultural dimension, as I am urging here, then research methods will be needed that are capable of grasping “the most profound type of knowledge is not spoken of at all” and thus inaccessible to ethnographic observation or interview (Bloch 1998:46).

Berger, John. 1980. “Why Look At Animals?”About Looking. New York: Pantheon Books, 1-26.

Briggs, Charles. 1988. Competence in Performance: the Creativity of Tradition in Mexicano Verbal Art. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press.

Cadaval, Olivia and Cynthia L. Vidaurri. 2003. El Rio: A Travelling Exhibition Exploring the Relationship Between Traditional Knowledge, Local Culture, and a Sustainable Environment in the Rio Grande/Rio Bravo Basin. Washington, DC: Center for Folklife and Cultural Heritage, Smithsonian Institution.

Cantwell, Robert.1993. Ethnomimesis: Folklife and the Representation of Culture. Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press.

Regional identity records and synthesizes, at what is perhaps the ecological limit of the ethnomimetic process, patterns of settlement, cultural retention, and creolization and the accommodation of these historical forces, through economic and attendant social formations, to the natural resources and features. . .that identify a region as such without reference to its political boundaries. (p. 111)

Davis, Susan. 1997. Spectacular Nature: Corporate Culture and the Seaworld Experience.Berkeley: University of California Press.

Appreciation of a separate, aesthetic version of nature suppressed awareness of class exploitation and was used to distinguish people from each other and normalize the differences between them.For example, in the eighteenth century, as Williams argues, the gentry justified their expanding property rights and dominance over the rural poor through artistic practices.Sculpting nature into country estates, celebrating it in pastoral poetry and painting, manipulating in the form of lovingly landscaped gardens, the wealthy literally naturalized the vast social and economic power they derive from the enclosure of agricultural lands and forests, even while they consolidated their control in the laws and courts. (p. 31)

Dewey, John. 1954 . The Public and Its Problems. Athens: Ohio University Press.

We lie, as Emerson said, in the lap of an immense intelligence. But that intelligence is dormant and its communications are broken, inarticulate and faint until it possesses the local community as its medium. (p. 219)

Dewey, John. 1934. Art as Experience. New York: Minton, Balch and Company.

The sources of art in human experience will be learned by him who sees how the tense grace of the ball-player infects the onlooking crowd; who notes the delight of the housewife in tending her plants, and the intent interest of her Goodman in tending the patch of green in front of the house; the zest of the spectator in poking the wood burning on the hearth and in watching the darting flames and crumbling coals. These people, if questioned as to the reason for their actions, would doubtless return reasonable answers. (p. 5)

Dorst, John. 2002. Framing the Wild: Animals on Display. Laramie: University of Wyoming Art Museum.

With the coming of the intellectual and material revolutions in 18th and 19th century Europe, Berger argues, the age-old relationship between humans and animals disappears, except in nostalgic reverie, and is replaced by a relationship that marginalizes animals into the categories of raw material, machine, and... display artifact.... Within , “animals are always the observed. The fact that they can observe us has lost all significance.” (p. 4, citing Berger, 1980, p. 14).

Feld, Steven and Keith H. Basso. 1996. Senses of Place. Santa Fe: School of American Research Press.

Glassie, Henry. 1982. Passing the Time in Ballymenone: Culture and History of an Ulster Community.Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press.

----------. 2000. Vernacular Architecture. Philadelphia: Material Culture and Bloomington and Indianapolis: Indiana University Press.

Environmentally efficient, thatch is also beautiful.Looking downhill at a house he had recently roofed, Tommy Love said, “When it is new with straw, it shines like gold.The sun glints off it, and it is lovely.It is lovely, right enough.”

Efficient and beautiful, thatching is also economical.Its main demand is time, and in Ballymenone they say that the man who made time made plenty.Thatch also requires a knowledge of growing things, the understanding of seeds and soil and weather that farmers develop during time passed in place. (p. 26)

Hufford, David. 1983. “The Supernatural and the Sociology of Knowledge: Explaining Academic Belief.” New York Folklore Quarterly. 9 (1/2): 21-30.

Hufford, Mary. 1990. “’One Reason God Made Trees:’ The Form and Ecology of the Barnegat Bay Sneakbox.” In Allen and Schlereth, eds. Sense of Place: American Regional Cultures.Lexington: University Press of Kentucky.

“He was the type of fellow that thought like a duck. He thought like a duck. He just knew every move they were gonna make. In other words, we’d sit there, gunning, and have the stools out, and in would come some ducks. And they wouldn’t come in just the way he wanted em. Just exactly right. You could kill em, but he says, ‘They gotta do better than that.’ And he would go out and he’d take this stool here and put it there, and this stool here and set it back there, and the next time they’d almost light in your lap….He just thought like a duck all the time.” (Ed Hazelton, quoted in Hufford, p. 53)

Hymes, Dell. 1975. “Folklore’s Nature and the Sun’s Myth.” Journal of American Folklore 88: 345-69.

I have thought that the true problem of aesthetic experience as part of life would be posed by a study of the state of the arts in Florence – not Florence, Italy, on the Mediterranean, but the small town on the Oregon coast at the mouth of the Siuslaw River. Or by an accounting of the satisfaction in the voice of Mrs. Blanche Tohet of Warm Springs, Oregon, when, having finished fixing eels to dry one evening, she stood back, looking at them strung on a long line, and said, “There, int that beautiful?” (p. 346).   

James, William. . "On a Certain Blindness in Human Beings" in William James: The Essential Writings, ed. Bruce Wilshire, 326-342. Albany: SUNY Press.
http://www.emory.edu/EDUCATION/mfp/jcertain.html

Jones, Suzi. 1980. Webfoots and Bunchgrassers: Folk Art of the Oregon Country. Portland: Oregon Arts Commission.

Kirshenblatt-Gimblett, Barbara. 1998. “Disputing Taste.” In Destination Culture: Tourism, Museums, and Heritage.Berkeley: University of California Press.

What is the nature of the imagination at work in the creation of the Mince-O-Matic chopper and its hypertrophy of mechanical wit or the plastic honey bear – “poetry in plastic,. . .a bear filled to the eyebrows with his favorite food” – or aerosol cheese, the apotheosis of processed food, or most recently molds that grow vegetables in the shape of celebrities like Elvis?(p. 267)

Kurin, Richard. 1997. Reflections of a Culture Broker: A View from the Smithsonian.Washington, D.C.: Smithsonian Institution Press.

Linzee, Jill and Michael P. Chaney. 1997.Deeply Rooted: New Hampshire Traditions in Wood. (Introduction by Burt Feintuch). Durham: Art Gallery, University of New Hampshire.

McDermott, John. 1969. “Deprivation and Celebration: Suggestions for an Aesthetic Ecology.” In James M. Edie, ed. New Essays in Phenomenology: Studies in the Philosophy of Experience, pp. 116-130.Chicago: Quadrangle Books.

This isolated line and the isolated fish alike are living beings with forces peculiar to them, though latent . . .But the voice of these latent forces is faint and limited.It is the environment of the line and the fish that brings about a miracle: the latent forces have become dynamic.The environment is the composition, profound.Instead of a low voice, one hears a choir.The latent forces have become dynamic.The environment is the composition. (Wassily Kandinsky, quoted in McDermott, p. 116).

Miska, Maxine and I. Sheldon Posen.1983. Tradition and Community in the Urban Neighborhood. Brooklyn: Brooklyn Education and Cultural Alliance.

Moonsammy, Rita, David Steven Cohen, Lorraine E. Williams, eds. 1987. Pinelands Folklife: Tradition, Community, and Environment. New Brunswick: Rutgers University Press.

Muthukumaraswamy, M.D.2000.“Finding Ecological Citizenship Inside the Archives of Pain: Famine Folklore.” Indian Folklife.(Special issue on Ecological Citizenship). 1 (3): 3-4.

----------. 2002.“NFSC folk Festival, March 2002: Oral Narratives, Folk Paintings, usical Instruments and Puppetry of India.” Indian Folklife1:3 (January), 3-4.

The true task of the folklorist ... is to restore his specialized idiom to communal, collective structures, which underlie speech, language and artistic expressions. (3)

Paredes, Americo. 1958. “With His Pistol in His Hand”: A Border Ballad and Its Hero. Austin: University of Texas Press.

Prosterman, Leslie. 1995. Ordinary Life, Festival Days: Aesthetics in the Midwestern County Fair Smithsonian

Reid, Herbert and Betsy Taylor. 2003. “John Dewey’s Aesthetic Ecology of Public Intelligence and the Grounding of Civic Environmentalism.” Ethics and the Environment (Special Issue on Art) 8: 74-92.

We call this power ‘cosmogenic agency’ – or the labor of conjuring a ‘cosmos’ out of ‘univers’ and of ‘consenting’ to one’s constitution by and in the matrices of world and mortal time. Within the space-based logics of universe and the universal, the relationship of individual and matrix is ‘flat’ because the individual can be infinitely resituated and rotated insofar as it can be relocated according to calculable coordinates – which are themselves infinitely replicable in all locations where those calculative logics obtain.In cosmogenesis, the relationship of individual and matrix is deep and full.It is simplest to say that this logic is the logic of place and narrative. (p. 86)

Schneider, Jane. 1991. "Spirits and the Spirit of Capitalism" in Religious Regimes and State-Formation: Perspectives from European Ethnology, ed. E.R. Wolf, 24-54.

Sciorra, Joseph. 1996. “Return to the Future: Puerto Rican Vernacular Architecture in New York City.” In Anthony King, ed. Representing the City: Ethnicity, Capital and Culture in the 21st Century Metropolis, pp. 60-90. London: Macmillan Press.

Siporin, Steve. 1984."We Came to Where We Were Supposed to Be:" Folk Art of Idaho.Boise: Idaho Commission on the Arts.

Taylor, Betsy.2002. “Public Folklore, Nation-building, and Regional Others.” Indian Folklore Research Journal.1 (2): 1-28.

Public folklore has much to contribute, not just to the expansion of the public sphere, but to a regrounding of public creativity in the enabling conditions from which public culture springs, and on which it depends.Muthukumaraswamy says that the ‘true task of the folklorist.. .is to restore his specialized idiom to communal, collective structures, which underlie speech, language and artistic expressions’ (2002:3).These formative structures constitute what Cantwell calls the ‘marrow of culture’(1993) – that shared life-world that provides the creative powers from which the architectonic structures and metanarratives of public culture emerge – as bone arises from, and protects, marrow.(p. 4)

Titon, Jeff Todd. 1988. Powerhouse for God: Speech, Chant, and Song in an Appalachian Baptist Church.Austin: University of Texas Press.   

After saving money from their factory jobs or inheriting a portion of their parents’ estate, they bought lots on the outskirts of town and next to their houses they built farm outbuildings from sawn planks just as their fathers had done before them. (p. 138)

Yocom, Margaret and Kathleen Mundell. 1999. Working the Woods. Augusta, Maine:
Maine Arts Commission.

Young, Katharine. 1997. Presence in the Flesh: The Body in Medicine. Cambridge: Harvard University Press.

. . .folklore, the study of forms of thought that have become typified within a discourse.(p. 2)


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Sylvie 发表于 2004-4-1 08:40:20

RE:宾夕法尼亚大学民俗学四十周年庆祝

木兰 于 2004-3-30 06:54 写道:
Here is the link for that. http://www.sas.upenn.edu/folklore/center/gatheringplace/index.html
You can find abstracts of some of the presentations and talks, and simple biographies for some of the pre ......

Hi Mulan,

Thanks a ton for keeping us in the loop on the forthcoming EVENT. I had a look at the website you indicated and found the presentation topics very interesting, my top favorite is Dr. MacAulay's "Field Aesthetics", and also Prof. Cara raised good qestions from "Tourism" and "Tango":

"Among the questions considered: What is the role of the 'outsider' in the production of aesthetic ecologies?How is 'home' recreated and locality reproduced through the arts across political and spacial boundaries?How are stage and place aesthetically and politically reconciled? What is the relationship between cultural and economic currencies in the preservation of aesthetic ecologies?   How are cultural 'roots' kept alive away from the native land? "

It will be a gorgeous "get-together" for American folklorists celebrating "Gathering/Place: Folklore, Aesthetic Ecologies, and the Public Domain," so many "big pots" will show up there, I met with a dozen of them when I attended the AFS 2001 Annual Meeting in Alaska. Prof. Lee Haring is the daughter of Professor Li Fanggui, the well-known linguist of China.

It's just simply good for YOUR being there! Congratulations!!!

Thanks again.

Yours
Sylvie   
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老李探花 发表于 2004-4-1 14:38:57

RE:宾夕法尼亚大学民俗学四十周年庆祝

“Prof. Lee Haring is the daughter of Professor Li Fanggui, the well-known linguist of China”
Lee Haring 是李芳桂的女儿?怎么我见过的是个男的,有点象李察基尔呢。

老李探花 发表于 2004-4-1 14:42:03

RE:宾夕法尼亚大学民俗学四十周年庆祝

Lee Haring is a researcher and writer on the vernacular cultures of the islands of the Southwest Indian Ocean (Madagascar, Mauritius, Seychelles, Réunion, and the Comoros). He is Professor Emeritus of English at Brooklyn College of the City University of New York, where he taught folklore and literary theory. He has taught several times in Penn's Graduate Program in Folklore and Folklife. He is President of the Fellows of the American Folklore Society. He has written Malagasy Tale Index and Verbal Arts in Madagascar, and translated Indian Ocean Folktales and Ibonia, Epic of Madagascar, as well as writing articles for the Journal of American Folklore, Journal of Folklore Research, Fabula, and Research in African Literatures.

他用马克思主义文学理论阐释民间故事:
His talk, titled 'Folktales and Ideology', will give an update on his research and connect folktale interpretation with Marxist literary theory.
不知谁能找到有关文章。
这张照片里有没有mulan呀:

Sylvie 发表于 2004-4-1 20:41:19

RE:宾夕法尼亚大学民俗学四十周年庆祝

老李探花 于 2004-4-1 14:38 写道:
“Prof. Lee Haring is the daughter of Professor Li Fanggui, the well-known linguist of China”
Lee Haring 是李芳桂的女儿?怎么我见过的是个男的,有点象李察基尔呢。

Oops, it was really a BIG OFFDA--

Lee, Mary "is the daughter of Professor Li Fanggui," she 's at University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, also engaging in folkloristics.

So sorry for the big mistake. I was too sleepy to make her/him in clarity... since I stayed out the whole night...   




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木兰 发表于 2004-4-2 09:09:39

RE:宾夕法尼亚大学民俗学四十周年庆祝

He did analize folktales with Marxist literary theory, mainly from Frederic Jameson. And the focus is class struggle. Sounds familiar for me. I did not think he did a better job than we had been doing for several years. so when i raised that question for him, he did not answer.
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